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PostPosted: 14 Jan 2010 13:50    Post subject: BJJ - sport or martial art Reply with quote

what do youse reckon, is BJJ really a martial art or is it a sport? either way i dont enjoy it any less but just curious. i dont think its a true martial art more of a sport.



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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2010 10:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

three types of martial arts

traditional martial arts - including tkd, karate, kung fu, aikido

combat sport - mt, judo, bjj

reality based - cqc and krav maga




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PostPosted: 16 Jan 2010 20:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

bjj as combat?funny i dont think of it that way. i mean would you really want to be thrown, fall to the ground in combat in the street. with all the issues of hitting your head on a kerb, table whatever



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PostPosted: 17 Jan 2010 20:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

hold like me get the definations

combat sport not street fighting

hold on i will get the info

traditional very little change in hundreds of years, cling to formal and classical ways

combat sport - proving your skills in the ring. in bjj you have rules like not striking however throw, takedowns, wrestling moves. holds, locks and submissions are permitted.mma actually falls in this catagory, there are rules ie no open hands, no fish hooking , no groin strikes you prove you style within the rules, points scored, submisions and even ko permitted

reality based self defence no rules eye pokes, groin kicks no tapout, and weapons permitted, mutliple attackers

and correct in a real self defence sittuation being on the goround no place to be
but in a bjj comp on your back on the ground wrestling around is what ita all about
even mma




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PostPosted: 19 Jan 2010 13:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

based on those definitions bjj is a combat sport. actually i'd go so far as to say all martial art compettitions are sport. i htink nowadays most martial arts gear themselve towards teaching how to compete with the added guise of self defence as a by product.




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PostPosted: 16 Feb 2010 23:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that self defence is a little disingenuous. Do you really think you're going to be able to win, in most circumstances, against any more than one person? BJJ/wrestling/Muay Thai etc. certainly prepare you for one on one, but it is an EXTREMELY RARE circumstance (utterly gigantic size disproportion or luck) where you're going to win against more than one person, assuming you are by yourself.

Those combat "sports" certainly prepare you for a one on one fight, presuming there are no cheap surprises. By that I mean weapons or extra people or anything of that sort, against which the best defence is having a really good sprint time.



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PostPosted: 17 Feb 2010 21:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

most combat sport dont train multiple attack

if you want that come on down to real world self defence classes

and i will teach you the "sms" rule

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PostPosted: 09 Jul 2010 06:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

it may have been at some point but once ufc came around it changed a lto of exsitng arts. tehy started modifying themselves to ufc. bjj has it's place if you go to ground and sure you work on making sure you get there but easier in teh ring than on teh ground. i woudl call it a sport now. from what some of me mates say their classes are taylored to comp.




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PostPosted: 10 Jul 2010 18:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely a sport. It's pressure tested against others on a constant basis, you compete on a low level nearly every training session, and it has zero focus on any spiritual or mental elements. Which is a good thing.

This is if you regard typical MAs as including things like (most) karate, TKD, JJJ, etc.

Technically I'm sure you could bring Muay Thai or something like that into the traditional MA sphere, but nonetheless...

Anyway, regarding BJJ as traditional is slightly disingenuous to begin with. It was developed as a way to fight bigger men, being developed from Judo, not all that long ago (in the grander perspective of history). It was a fight style for a fight sport. Hell, it was only developed not all that long ago and has been constantly changing, and has kept changing since UFC 1.

It's a sport, and it is really fun to compete in. Just because a gi is the common sartorial choice doesn't mean it's traditional.



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PostPosted: 12 Jul 2010 21:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is blurrry line between tradiational and combat sport

bjj is definitely a combat sport whether you wear a gi or not

take karate mostly taught techniques and kata traditional
however there is some sparring combat sport and you can compete

there is clear line beetween combat sport and reality based




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PostPosted: 02 Aug 2010 13:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wouldn't call it a combat sport, but one part of combat sport. combat comes in many forms and bjj only handles one of those - once you hit the ground




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PostPosted: 08 Aug 2010 22:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

hence teh term combat sport

combat sport is any martial arts applied against another under rules

ie boxing

or mauy thai

or bjj

there are rules of what you can or cant do and ways to score

ie in boxing you cant grapple or use feet
in kick boxing no knees or elbow
muay thai no ground fighting

here is the defination
combat sport - proving your skills in the ring. in bjj you have rules like not striking however throw, takedowns, wrestling moves. holds, locks and submissions are permitted.mma actually falls in this catagory, there are rules ie no open hands, no fish hooking , no groin strikes you prove you style within the rules, points scored, submisions and even ko permitted

you have decide to follow teh rules of teh sport like any sport in afl you can only kick or handball ball you are not allowed to throw these are the rules
you must follow them of be penalised

teh same as bjj rules are takedowns and thows aloowed
points given for position and escapes
armbar, chokes, figure four and wrist lock allowed
at certain level straight knee and ankle locks

not allowed strike ro kicking
stalling
eye gouges and hair pulling
moves that endanger opponent ie slamming
no neck cranks or spinal twists
no weapons

and yes is does only comtain grounfighting
afl only contains aussie rules
rubgy only rugby
football only soccer




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PostPosted: 26 Aug 2010 17:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

does it matter but i thought martial was something military or warfare and i dont reckon bjj's been tested over time in any countries army.



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PostPosted: 29 Aug 2010 23:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

wrong

been used in lots of millitary training

you are not using all the moves

but fundamental moves like bridge and roll are used it cqc and krav maga and millitary hand to hand

john will teach rx course to marines
what better system to use to control a subject




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